Skip to main content

Enter your email below to be the first to hear about new releases, upcoming events, and more from Dig!

Please enter a valid email address
Please accept the terms
‘Subterranean Jungle’: How Ramones Returned From The Wilderness
Alamy Stock Photo
In Depth

‘Subterranean Jungle’: How Ramones Returned From The Wilderness

Recorded in fractious circumstances, Ramones’ ‘Subterranean Jungle’ album found the group reconnecting with their creativity in the 80s.


Ramones never made any secret of the fact they were at a low ebb when they came to record their seventh album, 1983’s Subterranean Jungle. Even at their most victorious, the band were no strangers to dysfunctionality, but brudderly love was in particularly short supply at this stage of their career.

Listen to ‘Subterranean Jungle’ here.

“We weren’t talking at all”

“We’d reached the bottom at that point,” guitarist Johnny Ramone noted in a 2002 interview with journalist Gil Kaufman. “Between [previous album] Pleasant Dreams and Subterranean Jungle, we weren’t talking at all. I didn’t like Pleasant Dreams, it was too lightweight and pop for me. I wasn’t talking to Dee Dee at all, and I really needed him for his lyrics.”

Ramones weren’t helped by pop’s ever-changing trends in the early 80s. The New York City quartet’s role as punk trailblazers was widely acknowledged, but they were in danger of sounding anachronistic at a time when shiny, synth-based pop acts such as The Human League and A Flock Of Seagulls were making it big, and Michael Jackson’s all-conquering Thriller was about to explode on the Billboard chart. Yet the band’s appreciation of one contemporary hit helped shape the sound of their next record.

“I thought it was time for the Ramones to get on the radio”

“I don’t think I ever discussed it with the guys directly, but I think we all thought [Joan Jett & The Blackhearts’] I Love Rock ’N Roll was a really great song,” bassist Dee Dee Ramone revealed in the sleevenotes for the 2002 reissue of Subterranean Jungle. “It was cool it could get on American radio. I thought it was time for the Ramones to get on the radio, especially since we paid tribute to the same kind of bands that song did.”

In an attempt to conjure some similar anthemic magic, Ramones hired I Love Rock ’N Roll’s producers, Glen Kolotkin and Ritchie Cordell, to helm Subterranean Jungle. The producers even felt that recording in the same studio as The Blackhearts would help, but this forced the band to make the hour-long drive out Kingdom Sound Studio in Syosset, Long Island, on a daily basis. Some of their inner circle felt working this way was a disadvantage.

Kingdom Sound “had no vibe at all”, friend and future producer Daniel Rey said in 2002. “It was one of those early-80s studios with a receptionist with big, Bon Jovi hair, as opposed to a New York [City] studio with a history and a vibe. In Manhattan, [the group] didn’t have to be there all day, but Long Island meant they had to drive out and stay all day, which at that point in their relationship was not a good thing.”

“I didn’t want to tell the band about being in rehab”

As Rey hinted, most of the group were dealing with personal problems, and these eventually claimed drummer Marky Ramone, whose alcohol-related issues caused the band to fire him towards the end of the Subterranean Jungle sessions.

“I was lying on my bed, watching Kojak, when Joey calls me and says, ‘Mark, I feel bad about this, but, uh, you can’t be in the band anymore,’” Marky recalled in Mickey Leigh’s I Slept With Joey Ramone. “If it was today, Joey would’ve said, ‘Why don’t we take off for a month while you get sober?’ But I didn’t want to tell Joey or the band about my being in rehab, because I would’ve been admitting my guilt.”

The story had a happy ending for Marky, who dried out successfully and rejoined Ramones in time for 1989’s Brain Drain. Despite his personal issues, his drumming was as powerful as ever during the Subterranean Jungle sessions, and he featured on all the album’s songs, barring an edgy cover of The Chambers Brothers’ Time Has Come Today.

“I knew we needed a real mental Ramones song”

While of some of its production techniques have dated, Subterranean Jungle’s best songs still exhilarate today. The album kicked off with a faithfully snappy cover of The Music Explosion’s 1967 garage-pop smash, Little Bit O’ Soul, and took in both raw-edged rock’n’roll (Outsider, What’d Ya Do?) and bubblegum pop (Joey’s meltingly lovely My-My Kind Of Girl), not to mention a few inspired oddities, such as Dee Dee’s atypically cosmic, psych-tinged Highest Trails Above and the wonderfully sarcastic Everytime I Eat Vegetables It Makes Me Think Of You. Meanwhile, the scorching Dee Dee and Johnny co-write, Psycho Therapy, wasn’t just the album’s apogee – it even helped rekindle the pair’s friendship.

“I knew we needed a real mental Ramones song for the album, and I knew John was depressed with how things had been going,” Dee Dee observed in 2002. “He needed that song to get excited about the band again.”

With its references to teenage schizophrenia, burglary and drugs such as Tuinal, Psycho Therapy emerged as one of the best Ramones songs. In creative terms, it – and, indeed, most of its parent album’s standout moments – suggested the group were back on track. Most of the era’s more clued-in reviewers picked up on this, with even The Village Voice’s notoriously sniffy Robert Christgau suggesting that the album was “more worthy of an audience than anything they’ve done in the 80s”.

“From then on, the boys did what they wanted”

Released on 23 February 1983, Subterranean Jungle peaked at a relatively modest No.83 on the Billboard 200, and has remained a cult-level favourite ever since. But it’s far stronger than that performance suggests – and the positives Ramones took from recording the album allowed them to make a vintage return to form with 1984’s Too Tough To Die.

Subterranean Jungle may not have produced a slew of classics, but it’s a solid effort and it was a turning point for the band,” Gil Kaufman wrote in 2002. “That album officially marked the end of Ramones’ flirtation with the mainstream. From then on, the boys did what they wanted, charts and label hacks be damned – and they were the better for it.”

Check out our best Ramones songs to find out which ‘Subterranean Jungle’ track still cuts through.

More Like This

Diamond Dogs: David Bowie’s “Pre-Punk” Gang Song Explained
In Depth

Diamond Dogs: David Bowie’s “Pre-Punk” Gang Song Explained

Introducing the title characters of his 1974 album, the song Diamond Dogs saw David Bowie try ‘to evolve a new street gang’ ahead of punk.

“A Musician With No Boundaries”: Remembering Pete De Freitas, Drummer For Echo And The Bunnymen
In Depth

“A Musician With No Boundaries”: Remembering Pete De Freitas, Drummer For Echo And The Bunnymen

Pete De Freitas died aged just 27, but this much-missed figure was one of the coolest – and greatest – drummers ever to sit behind a kit.

Sign up to our newsletter

Be the first to hear about new releases, upcoming events, and more from Dig!

Sign Up